Emirates Team New Zealand Nearly Capsized

"nobody" (nobody13) 09/14/2013 at 17:10 • Filed to: boatlopnik, americas cup

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While attempting to tack, the Kiwi's wing didn't "pop" to the other side like it should have. This turned the giant wing into a giant airbrake. They tipped to nearly 45 degrees before wing popped into place and they righted. While they were tilted, Oracle Team USA was forced into a tack. This was a foul against ETNZ, adding insult to injury. OTUSA went on to win, now the Americans trail 6-0 in the first to 9 series.

And one from the bow:

PowderHound > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:14

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What's the red in the water right at the beginning of the video?

nobody > PowderHound 09/14/2013 at 17:16

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Blood of their enemies. It's the AC Live Line graphics. It's just the path the boat has taken.

PowderHound > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:18

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Thought so. But also thought it wasn't entirely needed because of the wake behind them that clearly shows where they came from

nobody > PowderHound 09/14/2013 at 17:19

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It's always on from the helicopter shots, and it's pretty useful when they do wide angle shots to compare different strategies.

deadpedal > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:21

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dayum.

hats off to those guys for keeping it together. That guy high side, rear starboard must have had his heart skip a few beats.

PowderHound > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:21

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Gotcha. I need to watch it more. I really do love sailing but haven't gotten the chance in a while. Not to mention my favorite boat, my grandparents sailfish with the flat deck, is way too waterlogged to be any fun anymore.

nobody > deadpedal 09/14/2013 at 17:23

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I think they added a roll of toilet paper to the boat for the second race today.

deadpedal > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:26

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Baby wipes. An integral part of kit for the sail racing crew.

dataPOG > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:30

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What's the wing?

jnecr > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:31

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Sorry, how can the American team trail 6-0 if we just won this round? And if it's a best of 9 series how could anybody get 6?? You'd win once you hit 5. Excuse my stupidity on the subject.

PyramidHat > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:31

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They should have not watched "The Thomas Crown Affair" last night...

nobody > jnecr 09/14/2013 at 17:33

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We had a bullshit two point penalty because we cheated in the series that ran over the last year, so we've won two races, but we started with -2 points.

And it's a first to 9 series, that was my mistake and its been fixed.

nobody > dataPOG 09/14/2013 at 17:33

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The wing is that big thing sticking out of the boat where the mast would be.

dataPOG > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:36

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Oooooooooh.

jnecr > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:39

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Thanks for clearing that up for me. Makes more sense now :)

Driving-ms-paisley > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:44

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I don't get it. The americans won, but trail 6-0?

nobody > Driving-ms-paisley 09/14/2013 at 17:46

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Yes, we were penalized 2 points before the start because we cheated in a year long series before the Cup. We started down -2 to 0, and we now have 2 wins bring us back up to 0 points.

getchapopcorn > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:56

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I'm still pissed about this and it's like they never watched cool runnings or something; if John Candy couldn't get away with adding weight, we didn't stand a chance...

sdsfsgaerWF > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:57

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It wasn't bullshit - those guys got caught hiding lead ballast in strategic locations within the hulls.

getchapopcorn > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:58

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The AC-72 (and 45 if i'm honest) has made for some of the most exciting sailing I've seen in some years; tragic sailing at times, yes, but exciting nonetheless.

James Schollum > nobody 09/14/2013 at 17:59

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Hahaha "a BULLSHIT two point penalty because we CHEATED" - read what you just wrote, and realise how stupid you sound. You cheated - the penalty is 'deserved', not 'bullshit'. Go NZ!!!

nobody > James Schollum 09/14/2013 at 18:01

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We cheated in a support series race. This would be like penalizing Brad Keselowski 5 grid places in the Sprint Cup for failing tech in his Nationwide car.

nobody > sdsfsgaerWF 09/14/2013 at 18:02

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In a support series race. It's like penalizing Brad Keselowski 5 grid places in the Sprint Cup if his Nationwide car fails tech. If we had been found to be cheating in the AC72s in an America's Cup race, then I'd be all for a penalty.

Canerbry > nobody 09/14/2013 at 18:09

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Nothing bullshit about it, Oracle was clearly caught cheating. The AC45 World Cup was a competition put into place by Oracle, all teams who planned to compete for the Cup were forced to enter and compete around the world for two years or else they weren't eligible for San Fran by Oracle's rules. They are pretty lucky they weren't booted out of the Cup, the jury had testimonies that knowledge of the cheating and cover-up went right to the teams management but OR threw a couple of lowly team members under the bus.

BiffBaxter > nobody 09/14/2013 at 18:16

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Someone is going to die.

It will make for great ratings.

Canerbry > nobody 09/14/2013 at 18:16

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Nah mate, the AC45 were part of being eligible to race the AC72s, Larry Ellison's rules.

kis_ev > nobody 09/14/2013 at 18:19

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I just starting getting into watch yachting. I've putzed around in a 2-person catamaran in Cancun with my wife, it's tons of fun. But I can't imagine going 20 knots with a 90ft wing, I'll just stick to an 8ft sail.

CalBrs04 > getchapopcorn 09/14/2013 at 19:04

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I honestly hope that they use them for the next AC whenever that may be. By then they would hopefully have had more time to make them safer. But yes, the races do seem much more exciting for some reason.

GR1M RACER : Wrong Most of the Time > nobody 09/14/2013 at 19:04

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Thanks youtube. I would Love to watch this a 144p when I load this.

Hifrequency > James Schollum 09/14/2013 at 19:07

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Hiding ballast in the hull warrants a penalty yes, a mechanical failure like this one seen here doesn't warrant one however. If Jeff Gordon`s tire explodes & he his car accidentally takes out 2nd & 3rd place finishers would that warrant a penalty? How about if he had his crew tamper with the car instead. We were caught with illegal ballast in the hull, this $g!t can't be pulled ever in fair competition. Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire & Jason Giambi all fit the bill also, all we can do is try to compete fairly & put the past behind us.

boomere30 > nobody 09/14/2013 at 19:21

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I have O understanding of this sport, but looks absolutely exciting and amazing!

hatbob > BiffBaxter 09/14/2013 at 19:27

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So..... It's like you don't follow sailing. Vendee globe is the shit but people could easily die anytime. Goes with the sport.

GoneSailing > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:01

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Check your facts... It is 6-2. The US won the 4th and now the 8th race as well. http://www.americascup.com/results-standi…

doodon2whls > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:03

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ETNZ are going to need 11 new uniforms for tomorrow after they all filled their pants during that hiccup.

Fixxxer > GoneSailing 09/14/2013 at 20:07

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Oracle Team USA started the regatta with a -2 point deficit. This was from a penalty incurred during the America's Cup World Series for cheating.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article…

Fixxxer > BiffBaxter 09/14/2013 at 20:11

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Someone already has died in practice. Andrew Simpson from Artemis Racing (Sweden.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/11/ame…

GOAT__RODEO > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:21

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... was pretty cool down here on the pier. Their sail-by was pretty awesome as well.

GOAT__RODEO > doodon2whls 09/14/2013 at 20:22

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they came pretty close to a pre-rinse.

sfmikee > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:29

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Cheating is cheating. Penalty earned.

f86sabre > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:30

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So, would you want to be on the top pontoon or the bottom if it did go over?

sfmikee > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:30

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Well then why cheat if it's so insignificant. The argument goes both ways. You cheat, you get docked, them's the rules.

james-thomas > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:37

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Why did you turn?!

BJ > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:38

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I know nothing about boats or sailing or sailboat racing, but it's clear that those are some high-tech machines. Exciting action, too!

Maybe I'll have to watch this sport sometime...

nobody > f86sabre 09/14/2013 at 20:50

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Depends on if you have time to prepare. If you have time, anchor yourself on the top pontoon and then just climb down. If you're caught unawares, the bottom, so you don't fall 40ish feet into the water.

nobody > sfmikee 09/14/2013 at 20:51

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I'm not saying it was insignificant. We cheated to win the ACWS races. Once we got caught, we withdrew from all of them.

Psycho Logic > nobody 09/14/2013 at 20:53

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I bet James May wouldn't have chosen one of those if he had seen this first.

Jonee > nobody 09/14/2013 at 21:03

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Is this America's Cup as much of a clusterfuck as everyone seems to be saying it is?

zyodei > GR1M RACER : Wrong Most of the Time 09/14/2013 at 21:03

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Wow, can your monitor handle those extreme resolutions?!?

nobody > Jonee 09/14/2013 at 21:17

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No. The early rounds didn't produce thrilling racing because the teams weren't level. In the LV Cup Semis, Luna Rossa was much faster than Artemis. In the LV Cup Finals, ETNZ was much faster than Luna Rossa. Now in the actual final, ETNZ and OTUSA are about level, so we get great racing. Watch these two races:

ArMO > BiffBaxter 09/14/2013 at 21:23

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Larry Ellison, who payed for the boat that has Oracle written on it, has pretty much said as much on Charlie Rose. They need viewers, they need excitement, they need ratings. According to him that's the only thing that will "save" boat racing (from what I don't know). In the interview Charlie Rose referred to it as NASCAR on water.

Widget_Master > nobody 09/14/2013 at 21:49

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I didn't know sailing could be this exciting

icemilkcoffee > nobody 09/14/2013 at 21:57

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Looks like an exciting sport to watch, but it all seems like a foreign language to me. The sail boats don't even look like sailboats no more.

HammerheadFistpunch > nobody 09/14/2013 at 21:58

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Just watched this race, watching race 9 now. Stoked.

HammerheadFistpunch > nobody 09/14/2013 at 22:05

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dammit, wind limit.

nobody > icemilkcoffee 09/14/2013 at 22:07

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It is exciting to watch. Check out the America's Cup YouTube channel , they have a bunch of videos that explain what's going on, plus the broadcasters explain a lot too.

TimeTraveler > nobody 09/14/2013 at 22:15

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Dem some big-ass boats.

Scrape > nobody 09/14/2013 at 22:49

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Obligatory.

EL_ULY > nobody 09/14/2013 at 22:57

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Que?

G Brinkman > nobody 09/14/2013 at 22:57

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I love how 2 Kiwis are hiking out on the high side, like their combined 300 lbs is going to counteract the thousands or sq ft of sail pushing the boat the other way.

getchapopcorn > CalBrs04 09/14/2013 at 22:59

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When they go from 5/6-40 kts in a matter of seconds it makes my head spin and laugh.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > nobody 09/14/2013 at 23:04

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OK, firstly: the AC45 races were defined as being part of the Americas Cup series. It was this way because Oracle said so. In the America's Cup the defender gets to set the rules, and that was a rule they set. So it's more like cheating in qualifying and having to start from pit lane. Setting the rules is such a big advantage it's hard to have much sympathy if it bites them in the butt.

Secondly: this is no bullshit penalty. The sailing community takes cheating really seriously, because mostly it's impossible to detect; it's only because someone was too stupid to remove the weights before the boat left their control that Oracle were caught. The approach isn't like the motor racing one of "if you ain't cheating you ain't trying", it's an honour system. The last major international-level cheating scandal was 1987 - that shows how infrequently it happens. And most of that team were banned for 3 years and the boat owners for 10. Oracle were damned lucky that didn't happen to them: the jury have come right out and said they got off lightly because the jury wanted to see the cup decided on the water. The 1987 incident was a much bigger cheat, but it's not about how big the advantage, it's about holding the line - once you start letting people get away with it you might as well just hand over all the trophies to the guys with the biggest checkbook and the least scruples (take a bow, Larry and Russ).

elkris > nobody 09/14/2013 at 23:28

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Reminds me when a US Senator warned that Guam would certainly capsize and tip over from overpopulation of Marines.

TheKingOfBirds > jnecr 09/14/2013 at 23:28

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First to 9 wins? Best of 9 series is over if one team wins 5, so I'm assuming...USA needs to win 9 and NZ needs to win 3. Tall order.

Ferrero1911 > kis_ev 09/14/2013 at 23:39

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These boats are going much closer to 40 knots than 20. Twice the speed of the wind!

Gt3-ted > nobody 09/14/2013 at 23:42

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When the boats are up on the hydrofoils they approach 40 knots ~ Amost 50 miles an hours ( or 3x the wind speed — They "generate their own wind" ) If they suddenly lose their balance the lower hull will catch the water and the boat suddenly stops. It's called "Pitch poling". It happens very quickly ( even at slower speeds on a regular cat, there is no time to prepare ) ..... and if you are tied to something, all you are doing is adding and additional "whip motion' when the boat stops and you don't.

lingmeister > nobody 09/14/2013 at 23:53

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Time to have motorized hoisters instead of using these grinders. Look at cycling with its motorized derailleurs. Put your manpower to where it makes a difference in sailing.

ItshouldahadaV8 > nobody 09/15/2013 at 00:17

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Is it bad that even though Im American that a fairly big portion of me wants OTUSA to lose just to spite Larry Ellison, he has turned a great historic racing series into basically a whoever has the most cash series. If OTUSA loses theres gonna be a massive lawsuit from him disputing that his yacht (built to the rules he wanted) was somehow outraced.

UncleWalty > nobody 09/15/2013 at 00:59

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Not a clusterfuck? Are you kidding? There were only three entries for the LV Cup....compared to about ten in a normal AC. This entire Cup is a joke. A monument to poor taste. Ellison is a laughing stock.

nobody > UncleWalty 09/15/2013 at 01:02

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Have you actually watched any of the races? I want racing to do 2 things:

1. Amaze me with technology. Boats flying at 50 mph does that.

2. Close racing. I think the largest margin of victory has been about a minute, and we've seen tacking battles in pretty much every race.

If a race does both of those, its a success in my book.

UncleWalty > nobody 09/15/2013 at 01:10

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I've watched many of the races. Clearly you haven't, since almost none of them have been close. The format may be exciting, but excludes many of the great sailing teams who can't even enter or compete because of budget. This isn't joke. Everyone who knows sailing understands this. The only silver lining is that it backfired in Ellison's face....the Kiwis are so good money doesn't matter.

Box-of-Fire > nobody 09/15/2013 at 01:13

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This is another sport that needs to go away.

nobody > UncleWalty 09/15/2013 at 01:16

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Race 1: 36 seconds

Race 2: 52 seconds

Race 3: 28 seconds

Race 4: 8 seconds

Race 5: 1:05

Race 6: 47 seconds

Race 7: 1:06

Race 8: 52 seconds.

Hmmm, "the largest margin of victory has been about a minute" would you look at that, the largest margin of victory was 1:06. It's almost like I've watched every fucking race of the regatta. If you read my reply to Jonee, you'll see that I conceded that the LV Cup wasn't great racing. The actual America's Cup, though, has produced 8 very good races.

UncleWalty > nobody 09/15/2013 at 01:57

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You're obviously new to yachting...and the AC. Glad you're enjoying the "show". G'Night.

nobody > UncleWalty 09/15/2013 at 02:00

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I am. If it weren't for the wild boats and the extensive YouTube coverage, I wouldn't give a rat's ass.

RooWills > nobody 09/15/2013 at 02:30

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I felt ill watching this at home (New Zealand). OTUSA seemed to have found some more speed upwind, today's racing - until near capsize and wind limit postponement - was pretty close. LV Cup may have been a joke but the AC is turning out to be just what we were promised.

lingmeister > Gt3-ted 09/15/2013 at 02:32

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I think the whole crew has to turn around and generate wind in the other direction so as to blow them back upright.

lingmeister > nobody 09/15/2013 at 02:39

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bring back the AC where everyone can compete. We don't need F1 where there are only a few teams. Next winner should stipulate the races in hobies. Probably should get rid of these rules on crossing and play chicken instead. Can't do too much damage with hobies, all you have to do is climb back up.

VX Boy > nobody 09/15/2013 at 05:03

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The Americas Cup came to Plymouth a couple of years ago and seeing these magnificent sculptures of sail and hull either tip over or recover from the point of no return is something that will long stay in the memory.

Diesel > nobody 09/15/2013 at 06:26

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Oppo Sailing Style......... And I know you all mentally heard that as a song. Going back to bed now :)

tetsu_no_usagi > BJ 09/15/2013 at 09:28

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Unfortunately, I have about as much interest in the AC as I do NASCAR - the only time I watch is when something catastrophic (or nearly catastrophic, in this case) happens. *shrug*

happy happy joy division > nobody 09/15/2013 at 09:48

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duplicate post redacted

happy happy joy division > nobody 09/15/2013 at 09:51

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What is this ****? Bleh.

America's Cup: meaningless and devoid of majesty since 1988*

*Old farts who used to follow AC will get the reference.

fixmyown > dataPOG 09/15/2013 at 10:01

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It is called a wing and not a sail because it behaves like a wing on an aircraft.

HammerheadFistpunch > getchapopcorn 09/15/2013 at 10:06

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I thought the 45 fleet racing were so dang amazing to watch, i miss fleet racing with the 72's

Ben C > TheKingOfBirds 09/15/2013 at 10:32

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It's a best of 17, so first to 9 wins (or 11 in USA's case due to the 2 point penalty)

SaiDas > PowderHound 09/15/2013 at 10:42

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One team has red and the other blue so you can track where they've been.

SaiDas > icemilkcoffee 09/15/2013 at 10:45

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Do F1/Indy Cars/Le Man prototypes/dragsters look any more like "cars" than these do "sailboats"?

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > nobody 09/15/2013 at 11:01

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We cheated? A 454 Mercruiser hidden in the sponson for top end speed?

USA! USA!

N@tedog > nobody 09/15/2013 at 11:38

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They did a terrific job of making this a TV friendly sport over the past three years. The camera angles and course markers are awesome.

bwwooster > Jonee 09/15/2013 at 12:22

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Nope, it's not a clusterfuck— it's just that

a) a lot of folks hate Larry Ellison and are looking for any opportunity to troll;

b) a combination of tough economic times post-2008, during the Greek crisis and high boat cost meant that at least three other teams didn't compete, leading to a small fleet and a lot of folks are looking for any opportunity to troll;

c) the new boats and format are a quantum leap forward from the IACC boats, with unprecedented technology, speed and difficulty to sail which bring with them the steep bit of the learning curve and some missteps and a lot of folks are looking for any opportunity to troll;

d) a lot of folks are looking for any opportunity to troll.

ETNZ has said that if they win the Cup, AC 35 will be in monohulls, but I have to believe that despite the demands and risk, the sailors are racers and going back to boats which can't top 20 kts. will feel like playing in a sandbox...

Gotta go— I'm on my way back up to Pier 27!

Virus > jnecr 09/15/2013 at 13:24

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It's not best of 9 - it's first to 9; best of 17. Team USA started at a deficit due to penalties pre-race for attempting to illegally advance the "one hull design"; effectively making the starting positions NZL 0; USA -2. The US team has won two races and NZL has won 6; bringing their respective totals to 0 and 6. Team NZL must win 3 more races to take the Cup, and Team USA must win 9 more to retain the Cup.

Virus > nobody 09/15/2013 at 13:29

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mast = sail

Virus > Jonee 09/15/2013 at 13:45

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Yes. Huge clusterfuck. I live in SF and it's widely known as "Larry's Toy Boat Race." Only 4 teams entered the LV (because LTBR) - and of those, only one real contender. The City is suing Larry and TAC for misrepresentation - they 'promised' the City X hundreds of millions in revenue and to date they've made less than 20% of those forecasts; costing the taxpayers (but, of course) over $110M thus far. And to make matters worse - the rumors are that Larry has directed Team Oracle USA to sandbag to raise interest and ratings in an attempt to recoup costs. I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly, TeamUSA is untouchable while keeping it close. If you follow the races you can see quite clearly in the early races that Team USA is foiling terribly, tacking terribly and generally screwing the pooch on very simple wind/laline strategies. Larry made a big announcement a few days ago about making a move at the Tactician / Strategist position and re-instated Ben Ainslie as the head of boat strategy. Now, they are quite noticeably faster, cleaner and 'smarter' on the water - turning the tide from being slow in tack and windward, to being blazingly fast at both; unheard-of.

Cluster doesn't begin to describe it.

Sarkazmo > nobody 09/15/2013 at 16:31

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I'm not into sailing but to be honest these are some of the wickedest machines I've ever seen. They are the super cars of the water and I never tire of seeing them flying on their foils.

intimidatorno3ca > nobody 09/15/2013 at 19:43

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Where's T-Pain at when you need him? "I'm on a boat! MotherFu~OH SHI~!"

Mark Schmidt > nobody 09/16/2013 at 08:35

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When did they start racing the AC45?

The acceleration looked spectacular when the started the downwind leg.

USA topped 47 knots in that race.

It was fun to watch.

medic.abe > nobody 09/16/2013 at 10:38

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There is still an error...

If the American's trail, it should be written " Americans trail 0-6.."

nobody > Mark Schmidt 09/16/2013 at 12:44

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They started racing the 45s in 2011. These are the AC72s, that they started sailing about a year ago. The AC72s didn't race until earlier this summer in the Louis Vuitton Cup.

chezcliff > nobody 09/16/2013 at 14:25

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These are the F1 of sailing-fast, knife-edge handling, technologically advanced and so expensive only a few teams can compete. And like F1, they're dangerous enough to cause injuries and death when things go wrong.

Personally I am hoping ETNZ takes the Auld Mug back to Kiwiland and really does bring back the monohulls with rules that open things up to more competitors.

RooWills > nobody 09/16/2013 at 18:21

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Did you watch yesterday's racing? Pretty damn good! Unsure what happened to our boys in the first race but that second one was so close. OTUSA seemed to have found some more speed upwind combines with these conditions seeming to suit their boat a lot more.

I think their fine bows (while looking dodgy every time they tack and bury a hull) help when the wind is against tide and slice through the chop a bit better than ETNZ. I'd like to see another race or two in lower winds (14-17) where ETNZ were very competitive to get a real gauge on OTUSA's improvements but it's looking like these last few races will be 50/50. Exciting stuff.